31. My Vision on The Remnant of Her Seed

Versus the Seed

 

June 4, 2011


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Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

Before retiring for the day on Friday, June 3, 2011, I prayed that God would give me fodder for His sheep because they are not being fed by the shepherds and they are starving for spiritual food. In the early a.m. of Sabbath, the 4th, I was shown that I should stress the following truths concerning the remnant, delivered primarily in the form of questions that should be seriously considered and answered by God’s people. And since this is the “fast” everything age, this is going to be relatively short shrift but right to the point and not short on acuity. This evidence is historical fact that cannot be refuted, yet most of God’s people will reject it, be destroyed and forever lost as was the case with His first chosen people.

 

A Chosen People Should be, but are not the Remnant

 

God elected the Jews to be His chosen, holy, special people unto Himself, because of their believed in one God. But were they His remnant people?

 

Deu 7:6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.

 

Adventists were elected by God to be His called out, holy, special chosen people. But are they God’s final remnant people?

 

A simple device which Jesus often employed in dealing with His wayward people, the Jews, was to ask them questions, the proper answer to which would expose their erroneous concepts. The Holy Spirit has prompted me to pose the following questions to professing Seventh-day Adventists. The answers will appear further down from the questions:

 

1.    God’s Word says the Jews were elected by God Almighty as His chosen, special, holy people. Were all Jews saved as the remnant, chosen people of God? Were they all special, holy and saved?

2.    Did all Jews accept the counsel God sent to them through His prophets?

3.    Did Christ’s disciples accept the counsel sent to them through His prophets?

4.    Did Jesus gather out His disciples from the rest of Jewry? Did Paul gather out His disciples from the rest of Jewry?

5.    Who was the true remnant, the true Jerusalem, the true church of God, after Jesus gathered out the disciples? Were the chosen people the seed, and the final gathered out from them the remnant of the (her) seed? Would it be a serious error to confuse the remnant with the original seed? Did many Jews do just that?

6.    Where was the headquarters of Jesus and His disciples? Was it in Jerusalem as well? Which was true Jerusalem—the apostate Jewish Temple or the headquarters of Jesus’ disciples? Which was true Zion? (See Isaiah 4:1-4) and interpret so these verses do not contradict Isaiah 37:31, 32.)

7.    In A.D. 34, which was the close of the 490 years of probation for the Jews, had they all put away sin per Daniel 9?

8.    Did the disciples begin to gather the believers in Jesus out of the Jewish Temple church in A.D. 34? Answer in Matthew 22:1-10.

9.    Did Isaiah prophesy that a remnant would go forth out of Jerusalem? Isaiah 37:31, 32? Was that prophecy fulfilled in A.D. 66, when 3½ years before Jerusalem was destroyed, all Christian Jews fled to the Pella?

10.    Three and one half years after the Jews fled to Pella, God’s once chosen, special and holy people and their Temple were destroyed by the Romans.

11.    Was all of the above a LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9?

12.    Could Israel be marked by the man in linen, Ezekiel 9, before their 490 years probation of Daniel 9 was over in A.D. 34?

13.    Does God’s Word say Ezekiel 9 will be literally fulfilled again?

14.    Is Ezekiel 5:9 commensurate with Matthew 24:21?

15.    Does Ellen White say that Ezekiel 9 will be literally fulfilled again?

16.    Could Ezekiel 9 be literally fulfilled again without an Isaiah 37:31, 32 going forth out of Jerusalem as Jesus, the disciples, Paul, and all true Christians literally left the apostate Jewish church from A.D. 27-66, at which time they fled to Pella?

17.    Did the A.D. 27-66 literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 involved a literal sanctuary Temple church, that was literally levelled to the ground as Jesus had prophesied?

18.    Would a future literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 also have to involve a literal sanctuary Temple church that is literally levelled to the ground? Would such a fulfillment be literal if this did not occur?

19.    Does God’s Word instruct in Ezekiel 9 that the destroying angels begin at His Sanctuary? Does Ellen White agree with God’s Word by saying it will begin at His Sanctuary, 5T 211?

20.    If all the bad leave the church militant so that it remains as the church triumphant, why would Ezekiel 9 begin at the church?

21.    Did all the bad Jews leave the apostate church militant Temple to constitute it as the church triumphant? Would Ezekiel 9 in the future be true to its past literal fulfillment, if all the bad leave the SDA church? Will all who remain in the apostate SDA Jerusalem meet with the same fate as those who remained in apostate Jerusalem of old in the first literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9?

 

Ellen White clearly states in The Great Controversy, p. 25, 1911, edition, that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was a PREFIGURE of the destruction of the last great day and in Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 222, she says this destruction begins at His Sanctuary (spiritual Jerusalem), because judgment begins at the House of God. Prefigure means TYPE, which demands a similar ANTITYPICAL FULFILLMENT and Ellen White went further to label this fulfillment as being LITERAL. So all we have to do is go back to the TYPE, THE PREFIGURE and see what happened then, and any other interpretation would make Ellen White a false prophet and most SDA’s teach that “other interpretation” which indeed makes Ellen White and God’s Word (Ezekiel 5, 9 and 22) false testimony.

 

In the Prefigure Type:

 

a) Who left who then? The good left the Bad.

b) Where were the tares gathered? Into the Midst of Jerusalem, the apostate church, Ezekiel 22:17-31.

c) Was there a primitive revival of the Jewish people? Yes! Where did it take place? Within the apostate Jewish Church, or outside it? Obviously outside it, Desire of Ages, 232, or it would not have been destroyed had the revival occurred inside the Jewish church!

d) Who/Where was True Zion, from whence the sinners were shaken? Was it the apostate Jewish Organization, or was it from the reformer church of Jesus and the disciples?

e) Did the Jewish people leave the apostate Jewish church long before persecution began; long before what Ellen White equates with the Sunday Law—the arrival of Roman troops on Jewish soil—the abomination of desolation? (5T 451, 464). Yes, they began to leave when Jesus "gathered out" those (the gathered out disciples) who would take the gospel to the world. Desire of Ages, 232, and even long before this according to the following statement by Ellen White:

 

 "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.

 

6) Is it erroneous for current day SDA’s to conclude that the Sunday Law is the only time the wheat will be separated from the dross? Yes, because in the prefigure type, the faithful Jews were separated from the dross from A.D. 27-66, at which time they fled to Pella. The Sunday Law is the final test that separates all wheat from all dross in all churches, but we are responsible for truth when we hear it and we are corporately responsible for apostasy if we remain when the church does not take a correct response and remove it because it is impossible to remain the corrupt and mature as wheat:

 

"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.  

 

Did Ellen White Ever Advise Leaving – Did She Ever Leave?

 

I have a work to do, and I am now making decisions. I must remain away from conference meetings. I must not attend camp meetings. The spirit of drawing apart, as the result of judging one another, has become so common, and the churches are becoming so leavened with this spirit, that I have no desire to attend these meetings. After returning from them, it is often weeks before I am able to take up my neglected work.

Because those in positions of responsibility have for years left the Southern field unworked, notwithstanding the most decided testimonies urging them to take up this work because they continue to neglect this field and use every manner of device in trying to uproot the confidence of the people in those who have done the hardest and most self-sacrificing work in the South, I have but very little confidence that the Lord is giving these men in positions of responsibility spiritual eyesight and heavenly discernment. I am thrown into perplexity over their course and I desire now to attend to my special work, to have no part in any of their councils, and to attend no camp-meetings, nigh nor afar off. My mind shall not be dragged into confusion by the tendency they manifest to work directly contrary to the light that God has given me. I am done. I will preserve my God-given intelligence.” (17MR 64.2&3)

 

"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them, Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.

 

Fear and Shun "'They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God' people in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 660.

 

"We should never give sanction to sin by our words, our deeds, our silence or our presence." Desire of Ages, 152.

 

"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.

 

"Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108.

 

Jesus left Christ left

 

 "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.

         

Paul left

 

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

 

"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.

 

 "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. 

 

 "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232. 

         

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

 

"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them. Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42. 

 

Who is modern Israel (below) in your estimation?

 

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.

 

The time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1303.

 

The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880:  “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.” 

 

The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with impunity.”  Prophets and Kings, 416.    

 

Important texts on the Remnant

 

Eze 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, [both] sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, [even] concerning all that I have brought upon it.

 

Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

 

Mic 4:7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

 

Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make [them] afraid. cf. Rev. 14:1-4.

 

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

 

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

In the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,

 

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