164. My Vision on The Seven Seals Versus the Seven Trumpets

 

April 14, 2018


http://omega77.tripod.com/myvisionsevensealsvsseventrumpets.htm

 

I told you in my vision on the Seven Trumpets, http://omega77.tripod.com/myvisionrev8and9.htm published on my Website yesterday, April 13, 2018, that I was shown there would be more to come. This is the “MORE TO COME,” that the Lord showed me in vision this a.m., after receiving a response from Steve Nagy, who shook me out of the Kingdom of God, because I do not accept his personal opinion theology that the seven trumpets occur BEFORE the National Sunday Law, and BEFORE all saints, including the great multitude are sealed. Ellen White said to save something for the end! So here is what God “saved for the end” that I may counter the judgmental email I received in response to yesterdays vision.


This a.m., Sabbath, April 14, 2018, I received the following response (email cut and pasted below) from Steve Nagy of Australia, the person who was the prime designer of the chart of end-time events that places Ezekiel 9, Seventh-Trumpet judgment BEFORE the National Sunday Law, which, of course, is BEFORE all the saints of God are sealed as per Revelation Chapter 7, to wit:

Rev 7:1  And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 

Rev 7:2   And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 

Rev 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 


Please notice the above facts concerning the four angels holding the four winds of the earth: It is so important to note that the four winds DO NOT BLOW on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 


Now notice that the first trumpet, which Steve Nagy says occurs BEFORE the Sunday Law, DOES INDEED hurt the earth:

Rev 8:7  The first angel [FIRST TRUMPET] sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.


In the FIRST TRUMPET, we have a third part of the TREES BEING BURNT UP, and ALL GREEN GRASS BURNT UP. I would say that is hurting the earth BEFORE ALL THE SAINTS [EVERYONE ENUMERATED IN REVELATION 7, TO INCLUDE THE GREAT MULTITUDE] are sealed.


Since Steve Nagy has the first four trumpets occurring BEFORE the Sunday Law TEST, which seals all of the saints of God, including the great multitude, lets see what those TRUMPETS do to the sea:

Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 

Rev 8:9   And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.


The winds were not to hurt the earth or the sea UNTIL ALL THE SAINTS OF GOD ARE SEALED, [INCLUDING THOSE WHO WILL BE PART OF THE GREAT MULTITUDE] yet the second Trumpet is doing just that.  Also, if a third of the ships are destroyed, that means the death of a lot of men! Are they not worthy of hearing the final Midnight Cry that they might respond positively and be saved?


Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 

Rev 8:11   And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


The earth was not to be hurt, yet the rivers and the fountains of waters, WHICH ARE PART OF THE EARTH, are poisoned so that MANY MEN died of the waters because they were made bitter. Are those men entitled to be tested by the MIDNIGHT CRY before they are killed?


It is crucial that you note the word of John in Rev. 7:9, that the great multitude are sealed as well:

Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Yes, Revelation Chapter 7 goes on to enumerate all who are sealed, IN ADDITION TO THE 144,000, just as Ellen White does. She said that the Trumpets DO NOT begin until all are sealed, to wit:

"At the commencement of the holy Sabbath, January 5, 1849, we engaged in prayer with Brother Belden’s family at Rocky Hill, Connecticut, and the Holy Ghost fell upon us. I was taken off in vision to the most holy place, where I saw Jesus still interceding for Israel. On the bottom of His garment was a bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate. Then I saw that Jesus would not leave the most holy place until every case was decided either for salvation or destruction, and that the wrath of God could not come until Jesus had finished His work in the most holy place, laid off His priestly attire, and clothed Himself with the garments of vengeance."{CET 100.1}


Every case involves more than just the 144,000. Ellen White agrees with John the Revelator.


I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus’ work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance. This was the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then all the saints cried out with anguish of spirit, and were delivered by the voice of God. The one hundred and forty-four thousand triumphed. Their faces were lighted up with the glory of God.” {CET 100.3}

 

Wow!


Satan counterfeits the TRUMPETS ??

 

https://omegacountdownministries.neocities.org/myvisionrev8and9.htm

 

So . . .  MERCY comes via SATAN since the Trumpets are Wrath mixed with Mercy ! 

 

So . . .  Satan STOPS WW3 with the Four Trumpets, and thus it must be SATAN who casts down the censor in Rev 8:5

 

So . . .  Satan must be the one who answers the prayers of ALL the Saints in Rev 8:3 !

 

So . . .  its SATAN that looks down in MERCY upon the Remnant that are not sealed and commands the Four angels to HOLD the Four Winds

 

SO ! The 144K are NOT sealed before Tribulation because the Four Winds are ONLY held until they are sealed. Ron says the Four Winds are held until the Plagues. So there will be no WW3 because WAR is ARMY as per Rev 9:16 and Winds are fierce human passions and strife says Ellen White. No winds, NO WAR. 

 

TRUMPETS 1-4 are the MERCY of JESUS to STOP WW3 so as to allow the LOUD CRY. To assign this MERCY to SATAN is PURE BLASPHEMY ! SATAN IS NOT MY GOD OR ANY GOD, HE IS CREATED!

 

The GREAT Blasphemer, SATAN. Satan is not my brother, the Pope is not my Brother and neither are you Ron. You have shaken yourself OUT. 

 

I won't reply to your article since you believe that your VISIONS are the FINAL WORD. 

 

Steve.


Ron’s visionary response:


Steve Nagy believes that the Trumpets are slightly let loose BEFORE the Midnight Cry and the Sunday Law, as a sign of mercy from God, that will stop WW III. The trumpets come after the Midnight Cry and AFTER all who will be saved are sealed. There is no mercy in the SEVEN TRUMPETS which are punishments. Revelation 7:1-3, says the winds are not to hurt the earth before all are sealed who will be sealed, and Ellen White says the same thing. She said the four angels who hold the four winds are ABOUT to let them go, but Jesus stops them! They do NOT let the winds loose until the Sixth Trumpet.

Steve Nagy mentions God’s mercy in connection with the first Trumpet, but where is God’s mercy in Steve’s personal opinion theory that the SDA church is destroyed in Ezekiel 9/Will Ross fashion, BEFORE the final Midnight Cry to all churches?


Revelation 8:1-5 IS NOT A TRUMPET. It is the final SEVENTH SEAL, which occurs at the time of the death decree to give the saints an extra outpouring from the altar on high which empowers them to give their lives as martyrs, and also to the 144,000 to give them extra spiritual strength to go through the GREAT TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE WITHOUT AN INTERCESSOR.


If you don’t agree with Steve Nagy’s errors, which contradict the sealing in Revelation 7 and Ellen White’s statements about EVERY CASE being decided before the four winds are permitted to blow, YOU SHAKE YOURSELF OUT! If Steve continues to contradict the Bible and Ellen White, I leave it to you, reader, to decide who is shaking himself out. Steve admitted to me last week that he does not know enough to be one of the 144,000, and answer all questions necessary. But in light of that, he takes a very bigoted JUDEMENTAL spirit, as does his friends Gary and Brigitte who say amen to his teachings. That is not wise. Steve does not understand the first, elementary, rudimentaries of the seals and trumpets. It is thus that I have referred to him as a neophyte in the Word. His interpretations are helter skelter and do not make sense, and certainly do not follow the weight of evidence formula so that NOTHING CONTRADICTS, which Ellen White says is the ONLY WAY WE CAN KNOW WE ARE NOT IN ERROR.


There are even other folk, like Steve Nagy, including others who claim to be “reformer” Seventh-day Adventists, who believe that Revelation 8:1-5 refers to the first Trumpet. That is not true. Revelation 8:1-5 refers to the seventh seal, after which there is silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. This occurs AFTER every one who is saved is sealed, which is evinced by the fact that Revelation chapter 7 includes the great multitude as having been sealed just before the seventh seal, which is the half hour of silence.


Rev 8:1   And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 

Rev 8:2   And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 

Rev 8:3   And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 

Rev 8:4   And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 

Rev 8:5   And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.


Some Adventists like the two men who made the Ezekiel 9/Will Ross chart, are teaching that the seven trumpets occur BEFORE everyone who is saved is sealed. They believe that just because the 144,000 are sealed BEFORE the Sunday Law, that the judgments of the seven trumpets can begin BEFORE the Sunday law. This is not true as Revelation chapters 5-7 depict. That is just NOT TRUE as Ellen White depicts. She is in agreement with the seven seals occurring BEFORE the judgments of the seven trumpets begin. I repeat for important SOP emphasis, and then refer you to Isaiah 8:20.


"At the commencement of the holy Sabbath, January 5, 1849, we engaged in prayer with Brother Belden’s family at Rocky Hill, Connecticut, and the Holy Ghost fell upon us. I was taken off in vision to the most holy place, where I saw Jesus still interceding for Israel. On the bottom of His garment was a bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate. Then I saw that Jesus would not leave the most holy place until every case was decided either for salvation or destruction, and that the wrath of God could not come until Jesus had finished His work in the most holy place, laid off His priestly attire, and clothed Himself with the garments of vengeance."{CET 100.1}


Every case involves more than just the 144,000. Ellen White agrees with John the Revelator.


I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus’ work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance. This was the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then all the saints cried out with anguish of spirit, and were delivered by the voice of God. The one hundred and forty-four thousand triumphed. Their faces were lighted up with the glory of God.” {CET 100.3}


Below, is a reasonable explanation of the Seven Seals of Revelation Chapter 6. In that chapter, John gives a panorama of all the events from the Four Horses, to the end of time. So the seven seals overlap the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Last Plagues.

 

What are the seven seals of Revelation?

https://www.gotquestions.org/seven-seals-Revelation.html


Question: "What are the seven seals of Revelation?"


Answer: The seven seals are one of a series of end-times judgments from God. The seals are described in Revelation 6:1–17 and 8:1–5. In John’s vision, the seven seals hold closed a scroll in heaven, and, as each seal is broken, a new judgment is unleashed on the earth. Following the seal judgments are the trumpet judgments and the bowl or vial judgments.

 

Note by Ron: It is the warning judgments of the seals, that God attempts to awaken all who would be saved. The judgments of the Trumpets are punishments of those who REJECTED the warnings in the seven seals. End note.


The prelude to the opening of the seven seals in John’s vision is a search for someone worthy to open the heavenly scroll in Revelation 5. John writes, “I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals” (Revelation 5:1). This scroll contains the judgments of God; the fact that it is written on both sides indicates the extensive nature of the judgment pending. A mighty angel cries out, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” (verse 2). No one was found worthy of breaking the seals and opening the scroll, a fact that causes John to mourn (verse 3–4). If the scroll could not be opened, then wickedness would not be judged and evil would continue to infect the earth.


As John is weeping over the unopened scroll and its unbroken seven seals, he receives good news: “The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals” (Revelation 5:5). “Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne. . . . He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne” (verses 6–7). This is a picture of Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain who is also the Lion of judgment. Jesus is the only one worthy to judge the world (cf. John 5:22). As He takes the scroll to open the seals and pronounce judgment on the unbelieving world, the beings in heaven glorify Him with a new song:


You are worthy to take the scroll

and to open its seals,

because you were slain,

and with your blood you purchased for God

persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. . . .

Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,

to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength

and honor and glory and praise!” (verses 9 and 12).


Amid the worship due to Him, the Lamb begins to open the seals (Revelation 6:1). With each seal opened, the scroll is able to be unrolled a little more, revealing bit by bit the judgments God has in store during the tribulation period. The first four of the seven seals release what are known as the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, because the judgments appear symbolically as a horse and rider bringing devastation in their wake.


The first seal. The first seal introduces the Antichrist (Revelation 6:1–2). From the biblical description, we gather several details: he rides a white horse, which speaks of peace; at the beginning of the tribulation, the Antichrist will come under the pretense of bringing peace to the world (cf. Daniel 9:27). He is given a crown, which indicates that the Antichrist will exercise great authority (cf. Daniel 7:24–25). He holds a bow, which shows his true intentions, and he advances “as a conqueror bent on conquest” (Revelation 6:2).


The second seal. When the Lamb opens the second seal, great warfare breaks out on the earth (Revelation 6:3–4). This is symbolized by a rider with a large sword on a fiery red horse.


Note by Ron: Steve Nagy teaches that God uses the Trumpets to STOP the war on earth. John saw the war BEFORE the Trumpets. End note.


The third seal. The breaking of the third of the seven seals causes famine (Revelation 6:5–6). The rider that John sees is riding a black horse and “holding a pair of scales in his hand.” Then John hears a declaration that people will have to work all day to earn just a little food.


The fourth seal. The fourth seal is opened, and John sees a pale horse. “Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him” (Revelation 6:7–8). The result of this fourth seal is that one fourth of the earth’s population are killed “by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.”


Note by Ron: In Revelation, chapter 7, John is shown that the earth is not to be hurt BEFORE all the saints are sealed which includes everyone who is saved. End note.


The fifth seal. The scroll’s fifth seal reveals those who will be martyred for their faith in Christ during the tribulation (Revelation 6:9–11; cf. Matthew 24:9). The souls of these martyrs are pictured as dwelling under the altar in heaven. God hears their cries for justice, and He gives each of them a white robe. The martyrs are told to wait “until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.” God promises to avenge them, but the time was not yet (cf. Romans 12:19).


Note by Ron: Martyrs occur primarily at the end of the 1260-1290 days of Daniel 12, when the first death decree occurs. End note.


The sixth seal. When the Lamb of God opens the sixth seal, a devastating earthquake occurs, causing massive upheaval and terrible devastation—along with unusual astronomical phenomena: the sun turns black, and the moon turns blood-red, and “the heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place” (Revelation 6:12–14). Survivors of the sixth seal, regardless of their social position, take refuge in caves and cry out to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” (verses 16–17).


After the opening of the sixth of the seven seals is an interlude in the book of Revelation. John describes the 144,000 Jews who will be protected during the tribulation (Revelation 7:1–8). Then, in heaven, he sees “a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb” (verse 9). These people wear white robes, hold palm branches, and shout:


Salvation belongs to our God,

who sits on the throne,

and to the Lamb” (verse 10).

John is told who this white-clad multitude is: “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (verse 14). They are given the promise that

“‘Never again will they hunger;

never again will they thirst.

The sun will not beat down on them,’

nor any scorching heat. . . .

And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes’ (verses 16–17; cf. Isaiah 25:8; 49:10).


The seventh seal. When the Lamb opens the seventh seal, “there was silence in heaven for about half an hour” (Revelation 8:1). The judgments that lead up to the close of the tribulation are now visible in the scroll and are so severe that a solemn silence falls upon all of heaven. The seventh seal obviously introduces the next series of judgments, for John immediately sees seven angels who are handed seven trumpets ready to sound (verse 2). An eighth angel takes a censer and burns “much incense” in it, representing the prayers of God’s people (verses 3–4). The angel then took the same censer, “filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake” (verse 5).


Once the seven seal judgments are finished, the next part of the tribulation, featuring the seven trumpet judgments, is ready to begin.


End of Article

 

These verses are so important to remember:

Rev 7:1   And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 

Rev 7:2   And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 

Rev 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 

Rev 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 

Rev 7:5   Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:6   Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 

Rev 7:7   Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 

Rev 7:8   Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. 

Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 

Rev 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 

Rev 7:11   And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Rev 7:12   Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 

Rev 7:13  And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 

Rev 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 

Rev 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 

Rev 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 

Rev 7:17   For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. 

Rev 8:1  And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 

Rev 8:2   And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 

Rev 8:3   And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 

Rev 8:4   And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 

Rev 8:5   And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 

Rev 8:6  And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 

Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 

Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 

Rev 8:9   And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 

Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 

Rev 8:11   And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 

Rev 8:12  And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 

Rev 8:13  And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! 


Thank You Lord Jesus for “THE MORE” you promised in yesterday’s vision.


In the Name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,


Ronald William Beaulieu

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