14. My Vision of June 14, 2008


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Dear Reader,

After much supplication to the Lord for proper answers to my detractors on issues that are so crucial they involve unpardonable sin regarding God's professed people, Seventh-day Adventists, early this a.m. I was given one of the most profound assurances I have ever received concerning the veracity of following teachings I have advanced just this past week in response to my critics of late.

I was shown in no uncertain terms that proper, truthful answers to my questions as proposed to my detractors, as enumerated in this document, are valid, and would force the truth of the issues involved to solid irrefutable, incontrovertible, conclusions. I was shown that is the real reason my detractors maintain a continuum of refusal to respond to these all important questions and issues.

I was shown that all statements I have made in the following postings to my detractors are valid and sanctioned by the Holy Spirit as divinely inspired truth that cannot be gainsayed.


----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:38 AM

Subject: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


Laval,


The all empiricalness of the lie you are teaching below is that the final call to be proclaimed in demonstration and power of the Holy Spirit in large measure is the third and final call TO THE WORLD, Matthew 22:1-10. You are making a lying witness against clear Scripture! Lying about me is one thing! Lying about the order of Matthew 22:1-10 is quite another. You are a liar and a deceiver. And you do it all with such an AIR of piety, even claiming to be the forerunner of Christ in the Spirit of Elijah. You are an imposter, and you are speaking against both Scripture and the SOP. You hate me because I can expose your lies. The Spirit of Elijah, the Holy Spirit would not lie as you do, especially concerning clear Scripture.


Ron


----- Original Message -----

From: Laval Picard

To: sdaissues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:22 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


Erik, what you have just stated is so true.


You see, the devil is very good at quoting and manipulating the Bible and E.G. White and with such an air of piety as to deceive those who are concerned about the obvious and not so obvious apostasies they see in the church today... but what the devil doesn't tell them is that the message to "come out" of Laodicea cannot and will not be "present truth" unless or until the church rejects the final invitation to repent and believe the Gospel... what he doesn't tell these dear souls is that the only way to reach the honest in the churches is for that last message of mercy to be proclaimed in demonstration and power of the Holy Spirit... no one can deny that we are still waiting for the outpouring of the Spirit in large measure....


Ron responds: There are certain apostasies that are unpardonable for as long as they are imbibed and some that are unpardonable forever. For example, the Jews sealed their probation FOREVER at the stoning of Stephen. What was so finalizing about that event when they had already crucified Christ 3 _ years prior? I supplicated the Lord for an answer to that all important question. The Lord showed me in vision that the stoning of Stephen marked the end of the prophetic period on seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24) given to Israel to finish their transgression and put an end to their sins and to anoint the most Holy. I was shown that this period does not apply to future denominations of the Gentiles in later ages, and that we cannot apply the Stoning of Stephen as being the same waymark principle as applied to any close of probation for the SDA church or any other church since the Jewish economy and theocracy.


Ellen White gave the clear and present truth principle for closing the probation of the Adventist commission as follows:


"The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.

God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131.



The above principle was employed when Adventist's separated from fallen Babylon in 1844. When the light of the Midnight Cry and the first and second angel's message was rejected, there was a coming out-a decided separation because truth was not tolerated in the churches. That constituted their fall. That is the same principle Ellen White gave for separation of the true reformers in every succeeding generation. Please notice that principle in the following statement:



"The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations. As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 232.


What has been the principle for God discarding a church in every succeeding generation? It is when a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord by not tolerating light. That is the criteria for modern Israel's fall in every succeeding generation. Who can deny it? Was there any persecution waymark like the stoning of Stephen in 1844, and in every other succeeding generation wherein true reformers left the churches that would not tolerate light? Nay friend nay! Ellen White gives the one criteria which is: “Unfaithfulness to the work of the Lord, in proliferating of light which was to unfold continually. When that betrayal to the cause of God occurs, God chooses others. How long and often does God wait? One generation! Because Ellen White said that in every succeeding generation true reformers have left the apostate churches for that specific reason-they would not tolerate advancing light.


Laval wrote: True, the Lord has removed some from the religious assemblies so as to teach them His message and to prepare them to give that last message of mercy but that message won't be a message to "come out" of Laodicea any more than the message after the crucifixion of Christ was a message to "come out" of the Jewish church... no, the message that was borne by Christ's disciples after the crucifixion of Christ was the offer of salvation through faith in the merits of a crucified and risen Savior, the offer of pardon for rejecting the Lord of glory...


Ron responds: In the apostasy of Israel, God removed all faithful Christians from apostate Israel. God called Adventists out of apostasy in 1844, and He has called faithful reformers out in every succeeding generation. That is the fact of the matter rather than what Laval gives as his personal opinion. Notice especially these words of Laval:


...the message that was borne by Christ's disciples after the crucifixion of Christ was the offer of salvation through faith in the merits of a crucified and risen Savior, the offer of pardon for rejecting the Lord of glory...”


Why was that so until the stoning of Stephen? Because the Jews had been given 70 weeks to put away sin and anoint the most Holy. It just so happened that Stephen's martyrdom occurred to mark the end of the 70 week period of Daniel 9:24. There is no repetition of that specific time period in the Gentile dispensation. In that dispensation God has worked on the principle of whether or not a church tolerated and proliferated light or not, and this is what has defined and determined their fidelity to Him and their worth as a church entity. Make no mistake about it, there will be persecution and martyrdoms like Stephen's and James'! There already has been. Dr. Paul Tulla in Africa tells of how two Africans who were teaching our message were killed.


If the persecution of martyrdom had to occur to designate the point of separation from churches that would not tolerate light, then Adventist's would have been remiss in separating in 1844, and all the separating reformers of every succeeding generation would have been remiss for the same reason.


Laval wrote: "This was the message borne to the Jewish nation after the crucifixion of Christ; but the nation that claimed to be God's peculiar people rejected the gospel brought to them in the power of the Holy Spirit. Many did this in the most scornful manner. Others were so exasperated by the offer of salvation, the offer of pardon for rejecting the Lord of glory, that they turned upon the bearers of the message. There was 'a great persecution.' Acts 8:1. Many both of men and women were thrust into prison, and some of the Lord's messengers, as Stephen and James, were put to death. Thus the Jewish people sealed their rejection of God's mercy." C.O.L. 308, 309.


Ron responds: Thus, the Jewish people sealed the end of the 70 weeks of their probation, Daniel 9:24. This is what the Lord showed me in vision. I repeat, if the stoning of Stephen and persecution to the point of martyrdom was a necessary requisite for separation, true reformers of every succeeding generation and Adventists of 1844, did not meet that prerequisite. There was no one killed in 1844. There was no marked persecution any more than the new movement SDA church persecutes those today who protest the apostate departure from the pillars of original Adventism.


Laval wrote: What caused the disciples to leave the Jewish church and what caused the Jewish church to seal her rejection of God's mercy? Persecution! Persecution raised its ugly head and the bearers of the last message of mercy to the Jewish church were forced to go to the Gentiles. Will history be repeated in these last days? We read, "Persecution will spread the light." D.A.354. Again the bearers of the message will be forced to go out of Laodicea and the message will swell into the loud cry to the world coinciding with the enactment of a National Sunday Law beginning in the United States of America. Then it will be "present truth" to call the honest ones out of Laodicea and out of all the churches that have taken sides with the first great apostate. 1 S.M.222, last sentence.


Ron responds: Laval's reasons are only half of the truth. God has shown me indelibly that the prime reason the disciples left the Jewish church was because the end of the 70 weeks end of Israel's probation without their putting away of apostasy and anointing the most Holy. This is what really sealed Israel's rejection of God's mercy. Who can deny it? Read it for yourself in Daniel 9:24. There was the persecution in the martyrdom of Stephen and James and there will be and has already been persecution during the second call to the SDA church.


However, there was no persecution in the following incidences wherein God's beloved left the apostate Jewish church and other fallen churches over the centuries:


1. Jeremiah 11:9-15 [KJV], with emphasis on verse 15, wherein God asks what His beloved (bride) has to do in His house (Tabernacle) since she (the apostate church) has wrought lewdness with many and then rejoices.


2. There was no persecution when Jesus “gathered out” those who would take the gospel to the world in A.D. 27, Desire of Ages, 232, to wit: "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations. “As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.


3. There was no persecution when the following took place: "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.


4. There was no persecution in every succeeding generation when true reformers have left the church of their fathers for ONE STATED REASON-the ecclesiastical leaders would not tolerate truth (light), Desire of Ages, 232 (ibid above).


5. There was no persecution in the following time of Eli's priesthood and that of his sons: "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.


6. There was no persecution when Paul left: "And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue and spake boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9. "Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.


7. There was no persecution in 1844, when Adventists left the fallen apostate churches of Babylon.


8. There was no persecution in 1905, when Ellen White that folk come out from Kellogg and His associates in the Alpha of Apostasy.


9. There was no persecution in 1905, during the Alpha of Apostasy, when Ellen White gave the following instruction:


Laval wrote: Mrs. White describes what took place in the days of Christ in this manner and this is also a prophecy of what is soon to take place:


"With what unwearied love did Christ minister to Israel during the period of added probation. Upon the cross He prayed, 'Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.' After His ascension the gospel was preached first at Jerusalem. There the Holy Spirit was poured out. There the first gospel church revealed the power of the risen Saviour. There Stephen--'his face as it had been the face of an angel'--bore his testimony and laid down his life. All that Heaven itself could give was bestowed. 'What could have been done more to My vineyard,' Christ said, 'that I have not done in it?' Isa.5:4. So His care and labor for you are not lessened but increased. Still He says, 'I the Lord do keep it; I will water it every moment; lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day.'" C.O.L. 218.


Laval commenting on the above statement: This statement is crystal clear as to what is soon to take place. We are living after the crucifixion of the messages in the nineteen fifties and the next event in the unrolling of the prophetic scroll is the latter rain message, the final message of mercy to Laodicea. But that message, we repeat, won't be a message to "come out" of her but an invitation to accept the last offer of salvation through the merits of Christ, the offer of pardon for rejecting the Lord of glory by crucifying the pillars of our faith in the nineteen fifties in order to be recognized by Christendom.


Time will show this to be true. Laval



Ron responds: Notice the words from Ellen White statement that Laval quotes: “He says, 'I the Lord do keep it; I will water it every moment; lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day.'" C.O.L. 218.


Did God preserve the entire vineyard (the apostate structure) lest any hurt it? No! The Romans sure hurt it! God was speaking of the remnant of that vineyard-those who would respond to His last call of mercy-the gospel of Christ.



The second call that was made to the Jews was under the early rain of the Day of Pentecost and was made shortly after the cruxifixion, and that call continued for 32 years from A.D. 34-A.D.66. That call was a call out of the apostate church because its 70 weeks of probation were over (Daniel 9:24) for the apostate structure. Probation did linger for INDIVIDUALS. The second call was the time when home churches were implemented all over Judea. More on that further along in this document. The third call was after the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The final Latter Rain call is to all INDIVIDUALS in all the fallen apostate churches at the end-time. It is important to recall that Isaiah 4:1-4, centuries before, has prophesied the outcome of apostate Jerusalem and all formally organized churches (7 women) at the end-time. The Lord kept His vineyard all right, but that did not include the recovery of the apostate structure.




It was 32 years after the inception of the second call that the Jews fled to the mountains of Pella in the land of Peraea, 3 _ years before the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus, the Roman General. Laval says that call was not a call out of the apostate church. Ellen White said in DA 232, that Jesus had “gathered out” those who would take the gospel to all nations. He did that before His crucifixion. The gathered out disciples and the seventy, constituted the first gospel church. The second call made by that gospel church is the time during which the disciples established the home churches all over Judea. Those churches existed for about 32 years before the destruction of Jerusalem and the third and final call to the world.



Jews flee before A.D. 70 fulfillment of Ezekiel 9:



In the autumn of A.D. 66, Cestius next concentrated his entire force upon Jerusalem. He arrived during the celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles, and although it was Sabbath, the Jews abandoned their religious rites and rushed out to attack Cestius' troops. To the amazement of both Romans and Jews, they broke the Roman ranks. Indeed, Josephus declares that only a flank attack by a force of footmen and cavalry saved Cestius' forces. More than 500 Roman soldiers were killed whereas the Jews lost only 22 men (War ii. 198, 2 [519]). At this point Agrippa sent an embassy to the Jews; their reaction was to attack his representatives, killing one and wounding the other. Encouraged by a promise of the royalist party in Jerusalem to open the gates for him, Cestius then gathered his troops to a fresh assault, and penetrated as far as the north wall of the Temple. Then an astounding thing happened: Cestius withdrew his troops, and placed himself strategically in such a poor position among the Judean hills that the Jews were able to attack him and kill more than 5,000 infantry and nearly 500 cavalry, including many officers, as well as to capture much materiel.


A Lull in the Storm.-The defeat and withdrawal of Cestius gave many of the conservative Jews a chance to flee from Jerusalem. Some of them joined Agrippa, others sought quiet in country places, and still others left the country entirely. It was at this time that the Christians in Jerusalem fled in accordance with the warning of Jesus recorded in Matt. 24:15-19. According to Eusebius, the 4th-century historian, the Christians in Jerusalem had been warned by prophets before the war began that they should leave the doomed city and find refuge at Pella in Peraea. They now took this opportunity to make good their escape (Ecclesiastical History iii. 5, 3).” SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, 74, 75.


The Adventist Parallel to the Calls of Matthew 22


1844 was the first Midnight Cry which Adventist's heeded and gave to the fallen churches. Ellen White says in Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, p.


There will be another call to all churches, but Ellen White says in Sermon's and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9 that the call has been going since 1844. Notice the date of the manuscript, 1874, and then her words on page 5 and 6:

He is sending, and hath been sending His servants for some thirty years past to say unto His people, "Come, make ready, put on your wedding garments; clothe yourselves with meekness, humility, and truth, and have yourselves clad in the righteousness of Christ, that you may be able to appear before Him, and enter into the guest chamber with those who shall sit with Me at the wedding of My Son." {1SAT 5.4}


Matthew 22 Sermons and Talks



Called to the Wedding Feast



(Sermon by Ellen G. White In Washington, Township, Iowa, Cir. 1874.)


The words which I have selected as a foundation for a few remarks you will find in the 22nd chapter of Matthew, beginning at the first verse. [Verses 1-10, quoted.] {1SAT 4.1}



The portion of Scripture presented before us, which I have referred to and have presented before your minds, is of intense meaning--much more than I am able to explain. It is of great interest to us, and we should consider it, and let it have due weight upon our minds. We find by perusing God's sacred Word of inspiration that when the promised Messiah, the Son of God, came into the world His own people, even His own nation--the Jews--would not and did not receive Him. As we are told in the first chapter of St. John, "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not" (John 1:11). {1SAT 4.2}



The provision was made, but they would not receive it. The Father Himself provided a ransom, even a sacrifice. His own dear Son submitted Himself to His Father's requirements, came into this sinful world, became a man of sorrow and acquainted with grief. He went about doing good, speaking in tones of tenderness, saying in the deepest and most fervent and sweetest accents ever uttered, "Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart"; and He assures us we shall find rest to our souls. {1SAT 4.3}



"Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise."



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The great King Himself hath made a marriage for His Son. He hath sent forth His servants for many hundreds of years, saying, "Come, for all things are ready." But how little do they [His people] heed the invitation! They make light of it and go their ways to their worldly pursuits and worldly pleasures, the same as they have done for centuries. But the King sendeth forth His armies and destroys those murders and burns up their city, and we are told in the ninth chapter of Daniel, the 26th verse, that "the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the city...; and the end thereof shall be with a flood." {1SAT 5.1}



"Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." {1SAT 5.2}



In the 14th chapter of Luke, verse 16, we find that there was made a great supper and many were bidden. Servants were sent forth to say to those that were bidden, "Come; for all things are now ready" [verse 17]. But they made excuses. {1SAT 5.3}



The King of the kingdom hath made a marriage supper for His Son. He hath sent forth His servants to say to those which are bidden, "Come to the marriage." The Lord is sending His servants, saying unto all who will hear, "Come, make ready for the great marriage supper of the Lamb; He is soon coming to receive all the faithful to the mansions prepared by Him, to partake of the feast which He hath prepared." He is sending, and hath been sending His servants for some thirty years past to say unto His people, "Come, make ready, put on your wedding garments; clothe yourselves with meekness, humility, and truth, and have yourselves clad in the righteousness of Christ, that you may be



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able to appear before Him, and enter into the guest chamber with those who shall sit with Me at the wedding of My Son." {1SAT 5.4}



All must be clothed with the wedding garment in order to be accepted, lest we be found speechless. {1SAT 6.1}



Is it not of the greatest importance that we be found having on the robe of righteousness, that we be ready when the Bridegroom cometh to enter in to the marriage supper? May we heed the invitation given and make ourselves ready that we may have admittance into the Master's house, that He say not unto us that none which were bidden shall taste of His supper. In the parable, those who were bidden heeded not its invitation, but continued excusing themselves, feasting upon the pleasures of this world as the masses do at the present time. {1SAT 6.2}



The servants of God are inviting and entreating them to come away from the alluring scenes of this vain and fleeting world, to make ready for the marriage supper, but they will not come. We hear them saying, There's no danger; tomorrow shall be as this day and much more abundant; no need of being disturbed. We must needs attend to farms and merchandise and the things of this life, lest we lose worldly interests, and become poor and suffer want. They forget that He who careth for the little sparrows and clotheth the lilies of the field, careth for the humble, trusting soul, and will guide and direct all those who are ready to do His will, and bestow upon His dear children such things as they need. To all who through patience and perseverance overcome, He hath promised to give a crown of never fading glory, a robe of righteousness, and an entrance into the beautiful city of our God. {1SAT 6.3}



This same King is sending forth His servants today. He is inviting His guests, saying, "Come, for all things are now ready." The Lord of the marriage



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is soon coming: behold, He is at the door. Delay not to open the door, lest He turn away from receiving you and you enter not into the marriage feast. Open the door and receive the Master, that you may enter into the mansions of everlasting rest and never fading glory prepared for all those that love Him. Who will make ready for the coming of Him who hath said, "Behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be" [Rev. 22:12]. {1SAT 6.4}



If we neglect our spiritual interests, neglect to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable duty, we become entangled with the trifling cares of this life. If we even once omit our daily duty of calling upon God for His divine aid, His care and protection, we lose one day's enjoyment. We have not the sweet, melting influence of God's Holy Spirit attending us through the day, but we feel cast down and easily discouraged. The enemy of souls is ready to take advantage [of us] and often does, bringing us into captivity and sin. {1SAT 7.1}



We may sometimes be cumbered about much serving, like Martha; but how much more commendable was the act of Mary, who sat and listened to the teachings of Jesus. He says, "Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: but . . . . Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her" (Luke 10:41, 42). {1SAT 7.2}



How many times the things of this vain, deceitful world come between us and our eternal interests! Temporal things spring up within our hearts and choke those things which are spiritual. We permit the enemy of righteousness to persuade us that we should attend to the things of this life. We now and then neglect greater duties lest we suffer want. If we faithfully entreat God to



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give us strength and to perform temporal duties, and at the same time to give us grace and wisdom to overcome evil; if we have our hopes centered above and our conversation in heaven, whence we look for the Son of man who has bidden to the marriage all who will come: who has gone up on high to prepare mansions for all those who love and keep His sayings, and has told us He is coming to receive us, we may enter in to the wedding feast with Him, that where He is there we may be also. If we turn away from those calls and invitations, what will be the consequence? {1SAT 7.3}



In the 13th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, 46th verse, we find that if we put God's work from us, and judge ourselves unworthy of everlasting life, we have no reason to expect an entrance into the kingdom. The 24th verse of the 14th chapter of Luke informs us that "none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper." {1SAT 8.1}



The great eternal Father has prepared a marriage feast for His Son. Will we give heed to His servants who have been and are being sent forth to proclaim unto us the solemn invitation? Or shall we make light of it? Oh, why refuse to make ready for the marriage of the Son of God? There is room for all who will accept the invitation. None can say [that] those things were not duly represented. Remember, when the good man returns, those who are ready will go in to the feast and the door will be shut, and there will be no further entrance, for we read that when "the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door" (Luke 13:25), then those who would find admittance will hear the answer, "I know you not. . . ; depart from Me." {1SAT 8.2}



May we heed well the solemn warning and make ready to enter into the wedding, that His house may be filled. God's Word informs us, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (Rev. 22:14). May we be found faithful, and give diligence to our calling, and possess the promised reward of the faithful, is my prayer.--Ms 8, 1874. (MR 900.56) {1SAT 8.3}


End Matthew 22 Parable from Sermon and Talks.



The Lord anointed M.L. Andreasen to teach the truth regarding the apostasy of the 1950's. Others took up the refrain, such as Al Hudson and the Standish brothers Colin and Russell, who were 24 years of age at the time. Vance Ferrell stood up. Herbert Douglass protested. The late Dr. Ralph Larson protested. Robert J. Wieland and Donald K. Short protested and called the church to corporate responsibility and to repentance for rejecting the 1888 message of righteousness by faith. Kenneth Wood stood up for the faith of the pioneers. Taylor G. Bunch and W.D. Frazee sounded the alarm. One GC President stood up to be counted-Robert Pierson. Many faithful SDA's sounded the true gospel in the power of the Holy Spirit. That constitutes at least 12 faithful disciples who stood for the truth, but make no mistake there were many more.


Jones and Waggoner made the first call for reformation in the church-the first reminder of the true gospel to professing Seventh-day Adventists in 1888.


The second call was made in the 1950's by the 12 men I have listed above, and many others. The next call is the third call to the world and INDIVIDUALS all fallen churches. The second call has already been rejected for over 50 years now. See Half a Century of Apostasy, by Colin D. Standish, and the late Russell R. Standish.


Laval says that the second call which was given after


So one Laval Picard has his calls all mixed up and out of the proper order and especially the purpose of the third call which is to the world and INDIVIDUALS out of all fallen churches. I say again, Laval says that the second call to the Jews made after the Day of Pentecost, was not a call out message. It was a call out message because the 70 week probation (Daniel 9:24) of the Jews was over just before the second call began.


The second call to the Jews was under the LATTER RAIN message, but it was a call out for that is when the home churches were implemented all over Judea. Laval says THE FINAL MESSAGE to the church won't be a call to “come out” of her, but an invitation to accept the last offer of salvation through the merits of Christ. It is true that it will be a last offer for INDIVIDUALS in the fallen SDA church, WHO HAVE NOT HEARD OF THE APOSTASY, AND WILLFULLY, KNOWINGLY supported it in violation of the Midnight Cry and the second angel's message.


Laval believes that he is the only person giving that message and that the rest of us don't know our left hand from the right as far as that message is concerned. Here is his statement again-and remember that the third call of Matthew 22:1-10 is to the world and INDIVIDUALS IN ALL FALLEN CHURCHES:


...the next event in the unrolling of the prophetic scroll is the latter rain message, the final message of mercy to Laodicea. But that message, we repeat, won't be a message to "come out" of her but an invitation to accept the last offer of salvation through the merits of Christ, the offer of pardon for rejecting the Lord of glory by crucifying the pillars of our faith in the nineteen fifties in order to be recognized by Christendom.


Since Laval Picard says that there is another chance for the professing new movement SDA church that has removed God and violated the Midnight Cry and the second angel's message via ecumenical liaison with Babylon by way of Association, Council, Counsel, Girding and Confederacy, let's consult God's Word and Ellen White on this serious issue. Some of us have heard the truism that when God repeats something three times it is of extreme importance:


9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.

10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.

11 For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying,

12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

[The fear of Babylon is that if the churches don't bind together, Christianity will be overthrown by other forces]

13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. Isaiah 8:9-16 [KJV]


But few realize the seriousness of the above words forbidding God's people to associate, take counsel, girding and confederacy with His enemies. These acts constitute UNPARDONABLE SIN. Proof of this is Jeremiah 11:9-15, where God says not to pray for those who do these things, and a synonym for conspiracy is confederate.


Directly allied to the above strictly forbidden acts as defined by God, is Ellen White's following directive which is directly related:


Ellen White said that straying from the path of the Midnight Cry light (Matthew 25:1-13), which gave power to the second angel's message, makes it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the path to heaven again. That is unpardonable sin. Here is her crucial and pointed statement:


"While praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and look a little higher.' At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow path cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path, and gave light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way of, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming....

By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name." E.G. White, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.



If it is impossible to get back on the path for violation of the Midnight Cry light, that is unpardonable sin clear and simple! That is exactly what the new movement professing SDA church has violated by its ecumenical liaisons forays with Babylon.


The midnight cry was given to give power to the second angel's message. Angels were sent from heaven to wake up the discouraged saints, and prepare them for the great work before them. The most talented men were not the first to receive this message. Angels were sent to the humble, devoted ones, and constrained them to raise the cry, Behold the Bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet him. Those entrusted with the cry made haste, and in the power of the Holy Spirit spread the cry, and aroused their discouraged brethren. This cry did not stand in the wisdom and learning of men, but in the power of God, and his saints who heard the cry could not resist it. The most spiritual received this message first, and those who had formerly led in the work were the last to receive and help swell the cry, Behold the Bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet him.” {1SG 140.3}


Notice again Laval's words from a ways back (above): “...the next event in the unrolling of the prophetic scroll is the latter rain message, the final message of mercy to Laodicea. But that message, we repeat, won't be a message to "come out" of her but an invitation to accept the last offer of salvation through the merits of Christ, the offer of pardon for rejecting the Lord of glory by crucifying the pillars of our faith in the nineteen fifties in order to be recognized by Christendom.


Notice how Laval violates the correct order of the incidents of the two calls to the Jews of Matthew 22:1-10, which Ellen White reapplies to our day in Sermon and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9.


o The first call was within the 70 weeks of their specified probation. That was the last chance for repenting and anointing the most Holy, Jesus Christ. I repeat, the first call was the last chance of the Jews, because the 70 weeks probation closed at the stoning of Stephen.

o The second call of the disciples involved the 70 who joined the disciples in calling out the people from apostate Jerusalem. They formed churches all over Judea.

o The third call was to the world-the Gentiles.


Laval has the third and final call to the SDA church, as another chance to embrace the gospel. That is a total violation of the type in Matthew 22:1-10. It was the first call that constituted the last opportunity for the apostate Jews to repent. The second call was OUT-SEPARATION. The third call was to the world.


Here is a Biblical record of that establishment of home churches:


Scripture on the Home Churches Formed During the Second Call of Matthew 22 to the Jews


Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.



Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:



"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.


"Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108.


"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.


Paul left


"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.


"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.


Jesus, as the first act of His ministry, A.D. 27,“gathered out” those who would take the gospel to the world. That included the 12, and later the seventy. But centuries before in Eli's time and as Jeremiah 11:9-15 proves, faithful Jews sacrificed and worshipped at home per the evidence I have provided within this document.


Laval wrote: Those of you who believe and teach that the message for this time is to call people out of Laodicea are better make sure they are not going ahead of the Lord, for when the Spirit is poured out, you will find yourselves among those who will resist the precious light, for it will not coincide with your narrow ideas.


Laval


Ron responds: Those like Laval who believe and teach that the message for this time is to tell SDA's to remain in a new movement that has removed God, and is violating the Midnight Cry and the strictly forbidden commands of Isaiah 8:9-16, better make sure they are not totally butchering the correct of order of events in Matthew 22:1-10, and that they understand the UNPARDONABLE ASPECT of not being able to get back on the Midnight Cry lighted pathway to heaven after knowingly, wilfully straying from that path. And really, friends, what excuse do SDA's have for not knowing about this unpardonable sin?


Both the late Dr. Ralph Larson, who served the church for over 40 years as a missionary, and Dr. John Grossboll, realize that the church has committed unpardonable sin, and that the final call will be to INDIVIDUALS to come out of all fallen churches, including the apostate new movement SDA church, and not to the fallen churches as a corporate structure.


What follows are some Internet SDA group dialogues I have had this past week involving these issues and based on Laval's comment made in the above portion of this document. The order of the following posts will read in a better order if you read them from the bottom up to this point. I simply to not have time to order them from the top down.


--- On Wed, 6/11/08, eik wenberg <wenbergerik@yahoo.com wrote:

From: eik wenberg <wenbergerik@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Received: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 1:18 AM


Ron,


the basic message you have is that the sda church is is gone to hell, and get out.


everything else you write about is attached to that idea in some fashion.


erik


Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplane t.net wrote:


Erik,


My writing has been far more broad than you allude to. Your dyslexia may have discouraged your reading of my vast array of material which is all truth and Christ centered. I have had to deal with Ezekiel 9 because of Ulicia and others, but I have taught a lot on the Godhead and the Holy Spirit and its role as well as the Laodicean message as it expresses the full gospel. It has been a source of continual amazement to me that you have failed to see the gospel in all I have taught on the Godhead, the Laodicean message and the Sanctuary.


Ron


----- Original Message -----

From: eik wenberg

To: SDAIssues@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:23 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


LAval,


you write on a main theme mostly.


But so does Brother Ron, mostly write on a main theme.


My guess is one will have lot more to do with Getting to the pearly Gates then the other.


erik


----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:25 AM

Subject: Fw: Foolish Virgin Reasoning


Ron responds: Erik, that is like saying righteousness by faith, the three angel's messages in verity, have more to do with getting to the pearly gates than the inherent call of the three angel's messages and the accompanying Midnight Cry obligation to come out and stay out of Babylon. The two are inseparable. To harp on one at the exclusion of the other is the height of folly. To harp on one to the exclusion of the other is a half gospel. To exclude one in favor of the other is to lead folk to hell. To say that righteousness by faith swallows up the Midnight Cry, which gave power to the second angel's message is the height of folly and stupidity, demonstrating a total lack of spiritual discernment, let alone the lack of being qualified as a John the Baptist or Elijah, as Laval Picard professes to be.


Ron


Laval Picard <forerunner000@ yahoo.ca wrote:


Oh Gary, you know that I have written on many subjects but I believe what Mrs. White was shown that a time would come when Christ and His righteousness would become the prevailing interest and the subject that would swallow up every other. Thanks for confirming that I have not written to you privately about Ron, at least not lately.


Laval


Ron responds: Erik and Laval: The message of Christ and His righteousness never trumps the obligation involved in a correct response to unpardonable sin apostasy, no more than the three angel's messages, which, as Ellen White said, are righteousness by faith in verity, trump a correct response on the part of the hearers of those messages to leave Babylon's apostasy. The folly of Laval Picard's reasoning would force the foolish conclusion that the message of righteousness by faith swallows up and supersedes the accompanying obligation to come out of fallen Babylon upon hearing and understanding those messages combined with the Midnight Cry. That is true folly. That is foolish-virgin reasoning. That is false prophet Satanic reasoning if I ever heard such! That is cultish Satanic reasoning if I have ever heard such. Satan is laughing!


Ron


----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Too Blind for Help


Ron-- This is very clear!! It would seem if one cannot see it, it is because they have some ulterior motive for having to stay with a church that is clearly violating the Midnight Cry!!!!-Lynn


----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:58 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Too Blind for Help


Righteousness by faith is justification by faith and Ellen White says righteousness by faith is the same as the three angel's messages and the Midnight Cry. Laval Picard has been narrow and obsessive in his view of the three angel's messages. He has not understood the serious link between the Midnight Cry, WHICH GAVE POWER TO THE SECOND ANGEL'S MESSAGE, and the ecumenical involvement of the new movement church which violates righteousness by faith, justification by faith, the three angel's messages and the Midnight Cry by its ecumenical involvement. He does not realize that such violation is an emergency contingency that now makes the Midnight Cry and the Second angel's message applicable to the new movement SDA church.


All who hear that call and resist it AFTER HEARING OF THE APOSTASY, close the door to their salvation, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14; Jeremiah 11:9-15; and Ellen White's statement on the Shut Door. That is the trap door to destruction which Laval is leading his subject to fall into--A SHUT DOOR. This fact is as clear as anything could be in Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy.


"Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the third angel's message, and I have answered, "It is the third angel's message in verity."--1SM 372 (1890). {LDE 199.4}


The great trap that Laval does not discern, is that all of us, and any "church" denomination can close its probation long before the final Loud Cry call, per Jeremiah 11:9-15. Proof absolute? Absolutely! Here it is:


Did the generation of Jews in Jeremiah 11:9-15 close its probation before the general close of probation for Israel in A.D. 34 at the stoning of Stephen?


Did Rome fall and close its probation before the final Loud Cry call to the world?


Did her harlot daughter churches fall and close their probation before the final Loud Cry call to the world?


Can any generation of the new movement SDA church that removes God, and violates the Three Angel's messages and the Midnight Cry close its probation before the final Loud Cry call to the world?


If the answer is not obvious, you're possibly too blind for help.


Ron


----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


Amen Ron-- Our children aught to mean more to us then that!!-Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

Laval,



How would your false scenario account for the fact that Ellen White told Haskell in the Alpha to take the youth as far from the church as possible that they might not see how ungodly professing SDA's were and not be influenced by that ungodliness?! What would she say in the Omega which is infinitely worse? What would she say about the Celebration Movement which in infinitely WORSE than anything that surfaced in the Alpha?!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up man! Do you know what that movement from your Catholic past (Vatican II) is doing to our youth? Is it slaying them on the altars of Babylon and your peace and safety message says just let it be so!!!!!!!!!! What a sham! What a lie! What a deadly device of Satan himself!!!!!!!!!



Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:09 PM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: Questions Laval Can't Answer


Ron-- They can't [answer with a refutation rebuttal], because there is none!!-Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:27 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Fw: Questions Laval Can't Answer

I think it would be a good idea to re-post the following as it will be lost in the flood of posts from you know who whenever this subject comes up. AND THIS IS NO SMILEY FACE LAUGHING MATTER!


For any error, there is biblical truth that God has provided to dispel ANY ERROR. If what I say below is error, let Laval, Ulicia, Teresa, Erik, and all the king's men combined, bring forth biblical and/or Spirit of Prophecy evidence that will prove what I have said as errant!


Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:19 AM

Subject: Fw: Questions Laval Can't Answer

Erik,



What Laval says below TOTALLY discounts the living fact that Ellen White says that there have been separations from apostasy IN EVERY SUCCEEDING GENERATION, Desire of Ages, for ONE REASON alone: That ecclesiastical leaders would not tolerate light! Let me ask you something young man: Is the Celebration Movement in the SDA church, which is DIRECT FROM THE CAULDRONS OF SATAN, be more or just as dangerous that ecclesiastical leaders not tolerating light? Do you want your children being offered on the altars of Babylon and the devices of Pentecostalism and Vatican II for destroying our youth? Do you? Apparently, Laval does!



Folk were leaving way back in Eli's day--circa the 13th, 14th century in Shiloh because of the licentiousness of the priests at the Tabernacle. Could that licentiousness have been any worse than the Celebration Video you saw?


"The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.


If the final loud cry is the only criteria for separation from apostasy, how in the world would we account for faithful reformers separating from the church of their father's in EVERY SUCCEEDING GENERATION, Desire of Ages, 232? Please answer this question Laval, Erik, Teresa and Ulicia, and/or ANYONE out there who disagrees with me!


How would we account for the separation in the Reformation? How would we account for the Adventists coming out in 1844? All these were long before the final pouring out of the Latter Rain FINAL CALL to the world in Matthew 22:1-10!!!!!!!!!!!!


Explain this Laval! Explain this to Erik, Teresa, and all the other folk you may have deceived by your foolish, tunnel--versioned misinterpretation of the two calls to God's people and the final THIRD call to the world. Explain to them all Jeremiah 11:9-15, where God said not to pray for that generation of Jews, and asked what His beloved had to do in His house (tabernacle, church) since it had wrought lewdness with many! This is the real premise for the Reformation separation! This is the real premise for true reformers leaving the apostate churches of their father's in every succeeding generation!!!! This is the real premise for Adventists leaving the apostate churches in 1844--ALL LOOOOOOOOOOOONG BEFORE ANY FINAL CALL TO THE WORLD! Explain all this Laval Picard, by your foolish CONDITIONS AND LIMITATION of separation from apostasy to the FINAL CALL AT THE END TIME?


Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:11 PM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: Questions Laval Can't Answer




The why is because there is no answer and Laval is too embarrassed to tackle it-Lynn


----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:30 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Fw: Questions Laval Can't Answer


Forum members,



Don't accept Laval Picard's sly and coy mockings of my evidence. Demand that he answer to my evidence! Go ahead and demand it before you conclude anything! Laval has repeatedly refused to answer the issues I pose (below) for a looooong time now! Why?



Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:27 AM

Subject: Fw: Questions Laval Can't Answer

I think it would be a good idea to re-post the following as it will be lost in the flood of posts from you know who whenever this subject comes up. AND THIS IS NO SMILEY FACE LAUGHING MATTER!

For any error, there is biblical truth that God has provided to dispel ANY ERROR. If what I say below is error, let Laval, Ulicia, Teresa, Erik, and all the king's men combined, bring forth biblical and/or Spirit of Prophecy evidence that will prove what I have said as errant!

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:56 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: Response to Erik's response to Present Truth

Ron-- You have told me many times that Erik is very bright young man! I have a brother who also struggles to a small degree with dyslexia, and I know personally his intelligence. I've also found out for myself that native intelligence is just as important as I.Q.-Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:42 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Fw: Response to Erik's response to Present Truth


Erik,



Forget the flattery! I am not a gifted man beyond the warning message I have for God's people. You have rejected that timely message for a long time now. That is not too bright. That is stupid. In light of my response to Laval's narrow view of righteousness by faith--that entirely omits violations of the church that are tantamount to Jeremiah 11:9-15, you had better awaken friend and fast! I don't really believe you are stupid. I really believe you are quite bright. Lynn can tell you that I have told her in the past that you are quite bright. But your response to pure clear present truth has been stupid and not bright at all.



Ron



P.S. to Lynn: Have I told you that Erik is quite bright despite his dyslexia and that most dyslexics are quite bright?

----- Original Message -----

From: eik wenberg

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:04 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

Ron,

__you can say what you want about my brains or the lack their of.__but that does not make your message or the spirit behind it any better._in fact it sort makes part of my case for me.__Ron you are very gifted man, i only wish that those gifts could be better used then they currently are.__erik

__Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net wrote:


Erik,



You are not very bright are you? The entire SDA message to the world is the Midnight Cry and the three angel's messages! The professing new movement SDA omega heresy church is not exempt to those messages!



Ron



The reason I said this to Erik is because for years now he has rejected clear tie-in between righteousness by faith, the three angel's messages, and ecumenical violation of both. Ellen White equates them. The National Reform Movement in the following statement was the ecumenical movement in Ellen White's day. Erik has accused me of giving messages that are distinct from the gospel, and that is not true. The Everlasting Gospel is righteous by faith in verity said Ellen White.



"The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers [the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and then the World Council of Churches, in 1948) began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform [Ecumenical] movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message [the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this time." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 714, 715.


----- Original Message -----

From: eik wenberg

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:18 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


Ron,

__the basic message you have is that the sda church is is gone to hell, and get out.

__everything else you write about is attached to that idea in some fashion.___erik

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Too Blind for Help

Ron-- This is very clear!! It would seem if one cannot see it, it is because they have some ulterior motive for having to stay with a church that is clearly violating the Midnight Cry!!!!-Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:58 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Too Blind for Help

Righteousness by faith is justification by faith. Laval Picard has been narrow and obsessive in his view of the three angel's messages. He has not understood the serious link between the Midnight Cry, WHICH GAVE POWER TO THE SECOND ANGEL'S MESSAGE, and the ecumenical involvement of the new movement church which violates righteousness by faith, justification by faith, by its ecumenical involvement. He does not realize that such violation is an emergency contingency that now makes the Midnight Cry and the Second angel's message applicable to the new movement SDA church. All who hear that call and resist it AFTER HEARING OF THE APOSTASY, close the door to their salvation. Word to the Little Flock, p. 14; Jeremiah 11:9-15; and Ellen White's statement on the Shut Door. That is the trap door to destruction which Laval is leading his subject to fall into--A SHUT DOOR. This fact is as clear as anything could be in Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy.


"Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the third angel's message, and I have answered, "It is the third angel's message in verity."--1SM 372 (1890). {LDE 199.4}


The great trap that Laval does not discern, is that all of us, and any "church" denomination can close its probation long before the final Loud Cry call, per Jeremiah 11:9-15. Proof absolute? Absolutely! Here it is:


o Did the generation of Jews in Jeremiah 11:9-15 close its probation before the general close of probation for Israel in A.D. 34 at the stoning of Stephen?

o Did Rome fall and close its probation before the final Loud Cry call to the world?

o Did her harlot daughter churches fall and close their probation before the final Loud Cry call to the world?

o Can any generation of the new movement SDA church that removes God, and violates the Three Angel's messages and the Midnight Cry close its probation before the final Loud Cry call to the world?


If the answer is not obvious, your possibly too blind for help.




Ron


----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


Yes Laval-- You and I discussed how much we love Desire of Ages, once!! It is my favorite book next to the bible. But even in it the separation message is there, loud and clear. Why are you not sharing it with others to save them too from the serious end in the apostate church???? Like Ron has pointed out Righteousness by Faith which you have done a great job in studying and sharing, is part of the Midnight Cry, that's what Mrs. White says and I understand why!-Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:35 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

Then why didn't you tell Teresa that you deceiver!?



Ron



P.S. to the reader: Laval and Teresa agree on most things and comfort one another in error. Laval waited over a long interval before he confirmed that Lynn was not a “supposed” witness as Teresa charged. Laval could have immediately disabused this issue.


----- Original Message -----

From: Laval Picard

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:34 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

I have never doubted you existence, Lynn! I remember you! :)

Laval

__--- On Thu, 6/12/08, Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net wrote:

From: Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net_Subject: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!_To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com_Received: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 10:39 AM

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:39 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

Laval,

Lynn thought that Kevin Straub was a member of one or both groups--DefendEGW and/or SDAissues. That is why she said you could ask him. I told her that he is not a member of either group but that I forward some of his emails to me.

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:35 PM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

Laval-- I believe I can detect a false prophet when I see one!! Your lies about Ron, are a pretty big one for starters. In case you really want to know if I am real, you can ask Kevin Straub. If he will take the time, he and my ex and his ex were friends at CUC in the mid 80's. Anyway, I don't feel the need to try and prove I'm real. I can't believe I'm needing to have this conversation! - Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Laval Picard

To: DefendEGW@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

Whether Lynn is "real" or not is totally irrelevant except to show that some people do not know their right from their left... case in point... not being able to detect a false prophet when they meet one...


laval__

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:22 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!



Gary,




Teresa has added another lie to her account. She says that Lynn is my "supposed witness!" That is saying I am lying about Lynn being a real witness. Anytime you would like to prove that Lynn is real, I will give you her phone number privately and you can call her!




Ron

_____ _ ----- Original Message ----- _ From: Lynn MacDonald _ To: DefendEGW@yahoogrou ps.com _ Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:19 AM_ Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

_ _ _ Laval-- As I have stated before, I have been a member of the Omega _Countdown Ministry for 20 years this September. Ron has never got up at a meeting and presented all red faced saying he was Elijah. You _are truly trying to defame him on these forums, aren't you??? He has _always stated he was a messenger. I, myself, believe his message is _the Elijah message, without a doubt!!! So I don't see why you insist _in such words. One could deduct that you feel the need to compete _with Ron. I wouldn't bother. You can't compete with the Holy Spirit, _who has impressed Ron to give his message!! I would appeal to you to stop making comments to put him down personally and show where you think he could be wrong in the word. That's what I'll be all ears (eyes) about!! We believe Ron has been inspired with a perfect message and you'll not be successful at attacking his truths!! As to wanting to let these personal issues be left aside. If you were _sincere in these words you would apologize properly and then these _issues would be left aside!! Hopefully you can do this.-- Lynn


----- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:26 AM

Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: Response to Erik's response to Present Truth


Ron,


I can see for myself, that in the Bible, EGW, as well as your own writings are indeed: the full spectrum of all things/colors considered.


For example, you mention the three angel's messages and the Midnight Cry.


Case in point, the first angel's message is about FAR MORE than just "the Sabbath" - no matter what most so-called SDAs today claim.


The second angel's message is about FAR MORE than just "Rome and mainstream Christianity is fallen" - even though most SDAs today don't have a clue as to what that "far more" is. Interestingly enough, when one does attempt to help them understand just what that "far more" is, -- well, you personally catch that proverbial beating-up on a daily basis, so I don't have to explain such to you.


The third angel's message is about FAR MORE than just "don't accept the mark of the beast - come to the SDA church instead".


The Midnight Cry is about FAR MORE than just "something that happened in 1844".


So indeed, there is indeed a kaleidoscope of color within these messages and their respective writers mentioned in "line 1" above.


But the bottom line at the end of the day is: it's ALL black and white.


As Jeremiah 11:10 says, they are .., they refused .., they went .., they have .., --- Either they did, or they didn't. Either one follows God, or not. Either one goes to Heaven, or not. There's no third color those REAL scenarios.

_--- In SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Beaulieu" <rsbeauli@... wrote:

__ Erik,

_ _ The truth that I have presented is not black or white. It is the full spectrum of all things considered. Jeremiah 11:9-15 is not black and white. It is all things considered. The post that I made on Laval's obsession with one facet of righteousness by faith is black and white reasoning on his part. Ellen White saw the full spectrum and she saw the three angel's messages and the Midnight Cry as part of the full spectrum of light regarding justification or righteousness by faith. I see the same view notwithstanding your inability to see it and your great error in regarding it as black or white and not all inclusive of the full spectrum of light. That may be your final downfall.

_ _ Ron_ _ ----- Original Message ----- _ From: eik wenberg _ To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com _ Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:48 AM_ Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Response to Erik's response to Present Truth_ _ _ Ron,_ _ _ I was not trying to flatter you.

_ _ You and I are similar in that we see things very black and white.

_ _ But the world we live in is not black and white but color, and made in color by the creator himself.

_ _ God has shown me that to only see the world has black and white is JUST as big an error as to see the world without any black or white in it.

_ _ Both views are wrong because they deny part of the creation. Which is that all colors count in god's eyes at the end of the day.

_ _ Would things be so much simpler if the world was black and white yes most certainly it would sin has warped the colors down so badly and if everything was black and white then it would be so much easier to listen to god and follow him perfectly.

_ _The trouble is if you read the history of the Jewish nation they had gotten their colors mixed so badly they went to a black and white mindset. SO BADLY THAT WENT THE TRUE COLORS appeared before their very eyes in the form of Jesus the SON OF GOD. GOD in the flesh they destroyed the color to keep the black and white picture of the world they had.

_ _ The true color does not ignore the twist mess of colors in the sin filled world we live in but rather tries with great love to correct the way color are sin, BUT it does not treat into a black and white world either.

_ _ I realize this post is somewhat vague on detail that is by design so that the bigger picture can be discussed not the details.

_ _ Erik


----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:33 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: Response to Erik's response to Present Truth


James,


Right and wrong is quite black and white, night or day, yea or nay.


Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.


2Cr 1:17 When I therefore was thus minded, did I use lightness? or the things that I purpose, do I purpose according to the flesh, that with me there should be yea yea, and nay nay?


2Cr 1:18 But [as] God [is] true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.


2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


Jam 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.


Where the full color spectrum comes in is as follows:


Isa 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:


Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.


All who will not follow line upon line and precept upon precept will be snared and taken in error.

Ellen White says it this way. This is the full color spectrum--ALL THINGS CONSIDERED--PART:


1. Weight of Evidence Formula: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, [interpreter] since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." E.G. White, Second Advent Review and Herald, 11-25-34, pr. 24.

Ron



----- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:28 AM

Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: Response to Erik's response to Present Truth


Amen !!

_--- In SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Beaulieu" <rsbeauli@... wrote:

__ Erik,

_ _ You have expressed the notion many times, as has Laval, that I was giving voice to questions distinct from the third angel's message and saving righteousness by faith. May the Lord forgive you both for this misinterpreting the very message for this time when the church is violating all aspects of true righteousness by faith by an errant gospel and ecumenical involvement in violation of the true gospel. I have seen the implications of the entire spectrum of that light, not merely the one facet that Laval obsesses over. One will not be saved without obedience to the practical aspects of the concept as well as the theory, which Laval harps on to the point of obsession while omitting the practical application as it applies to the Midnight Cry and the first and second angel's message, violation of which can shut the door to salvation just as solidly as the character building part that Laval teaches. It is not a demonstration of character to condone the violation of any aspect of righteousness by faith, especially when the facet one is violating constitutes shut-door, unpardonable sin. This is so serious. Laval thinks one facet is so serious. I think the entire package is serious. All facets must be taught and presented in their seriousness._ _ "The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers [the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and then the World Council of Churches, in 1948) began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform [Ecumenical] movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message [the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this time." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 714, 715.



----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:40 AM

Subject: Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: the loud cry is to go to the professed church first and then to the world



Amen James,


Laval would have us believe the church did not teach righteousness by faith until 1888. It was taught as part of the Everlasting Gospel, the three angel's messages PLUS THE MIDNIGHT CRY that began in 1844. Some, like Erik, have had the audacity to say that was in 1844, like it has not applied since that time as well. When any member of the SDA church violates that Midnight Cry light, KNOWINGLY, WILFULLY, Ellen White said that all who do so find it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the path to heaven. Laval is inviting folk to do that by remaining in a new movement that is violating the Midnight Cry via ecumenical liaison with Babylon's Associations, Counsels, Councils, Girdings, and Confederacies. He is thus doing exactly what God said the trained dumb-dog watchmen would do in Isaiah 56:10-12 and Isaiah 9:16, namely leading them to certain destruction. This is so serious.



Ron


----- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:31 AM

Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: the loud cry is to go to the professed church first and then to the world


The third angels message of righteousness by faith -- is the one thing that True Seventh-day Adventism has contributed to the continuum of the Reformation!


James

_--- In SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com, Laval Picard <forerunner000@... wrote:__ _The statement from Testimonies to Ministers, p.92 which prove[s]s beyond any shadow of a doubt that the loud cry of the message of the righteousness of Christ by faith in His merits first began within the Adventist church in 1888:


Ron responds: Ellen White said that she has been teaching righteousness by faith but that Elders Jones and Waggoner make it plainer. If the three angel's message is righteousness by faith and justification in verity, then the church had been teaching righteousness by faith since 1844.

_ _ "The Lord in His great mercy sent a most precious message to His people through Elders Waggoner and Jones. It presented justification by faith... it invited the people to receive the righteousness of Christ which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God. Many had lost sight of Jesus. They needed to have their eyes directed to His divine person, to His merits, and to His changeless love for the human family. This is the message that God commanded to be given to the world. It is the third angel's message which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice and attended with the power of the Holy Spirit in large measure."

_ _This statement comes from a 10 page section entitled "Rejecting the Light" having the 1888 message of the righteousness of Christ by faith in His merits in mind.

_ _ Notice these words: "The sinner is justified through the merits of Jesus." Faith and Works, p.107. "We are to be transformed (sanctified) through the merits of Christ." E.G. White, Our Father Cares, p.204.


"Through the merits of Christ we may find the approval of God." Our Father Cares, p.122.

_ _ "You cannot explain this faith that lays right hold upon the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour to bring Christ's righteousness into the life. Clothed with His righteousness and not your own righteousness, you will not depend upon what you can do or what you will do..." for "Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything." F.W.65, 66, 27.

_ _laval_ _ _ _From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:44 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: Response to Erik's response to Present Truth


James,


The rainbow and its full spectrum of color is used as a symbol of the ecumenical movement. There is the true rainbow spectrum of truth--ALL THINGS CONSIDERED AND INTERPRETED SO AS NOTHING CONTRADICTS, and then there is the rainbow of error, to wit:


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Ron


----- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:50 AM

Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: Response to Erik's response to Present Truth


Erik,


... just how colorful is "Thou shalt not ...."?


Are the Ten-commandments (or ANY of God's Commandments - for that matter) "black-n-white", or they a kaleidoscope of colors?


I will certainly agree with you on one point: The true color does not ignore.


You also mentioned:


I realize this post is some what vauge on deail that is by design so that the bigger picture can be discussed not the details.


Question:

Does that "bigger picture" you speak of include the items that YOU ignore and/or condemn?



As a side note:

Finally, regarding your little "color thesis". I saw this; and said to myself "I've seen this somewhere before; but where?" Then it occured to me: I've only seen two other "organizations (for lack of a better word)" use this color thesis scenario.


1- the WCC uses this scenario to bring "all churches together".


2- the NAACP uses this scenario when trying to get financial support from people of a skin color (whom the NAACP will NOT lift a finger to help those people - even after giving their financial support) that is "non-black".


James

----- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:58 AM

Subject: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

It was teresa who was questioning Lynn's existance.


Laval was simply making a point by saying: "Whether Lynn is "real" or not is totally irrelevant ..."


Now that I think about it, the rest of his message stated: " ... except to show that some people do not know their right from their left... case in point... not being able to detect a false prophet when they meet one..."


Laval, let me tell you something buddy, I know full well what my left/right hands are doing at any given time. I know a whole lot more than that!


One of the things I do know is "How to detect a false prophet when I see one". For example, YOU, are a false prophet - and it ain't hard to prove.

Do you want me to put my money where my mouth is? I most certainly will! But be forewarned. You're not gonna like it one bit. If you think Ron's been "hard on you", I would strongly encourage you to think long and hard as to whether or not you want this "dude" to jump on that wagon (because I don't have a reputation to uphold, and this redneck ain't afraid of war - been there, done that, in many ways still doing it). Personally, I don't want to do it. But continual comments like your one (in pink) are about to push me off a certain fence, and I already know where I'm going to land.

_--- In SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com, Laval Picard <forerunner000@... wrote:__ I have never doubted you existence, Lynn! I remember you! :)_ _ laval


Note by Ron. My point was not that Laval doubted Lynn being a real person. It was that Laval could have much earlier disabused Teresa's statement about Lynn's “supposed” witness.


----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:54 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Re: Too Blind for Help

Lynn and James,

The only ones I know of that would instruct Adventists to knowingly, willingly violate the Midnight Cry light, so as to make it impossible for them to get on the pathway to heaven again is Satan and the Jesuits.

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them' (Matt. 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.

Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 315.

"While praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and look a little higher.' At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow path cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path, and gave light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way of, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming....

By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name." E.G. White, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.



Ron_

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Re: Too Blind for Help


Laval Picard,


In the name of Jesus Christ, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, what are you motives for instructing God's people to remain in a new movement that is knowingly, willingly violating the Midnight Cry and the second angel's message, when all who do so will find it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the pathway to heaven? Are you paid by the church to do that? Are you paid by the Catholics to do that? If not, what is your motive?


"While praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and look a little higher.' At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow path cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path, and gave light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way of, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming....

By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name." E.G. White, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.

----- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:27 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Re: Too Blind for Help

Amen! James _ _ _For the record, Mrs. White clearly stated in Bible Commentary, Vol.7, p.984, that the loud cry of the third angel's message (righteousness by faith) had already begun in 1888 within the Adventist church before it was to swell into the loud cry to the world. Every informed Adventist understands that. The loud cry message of the righteousness of Christ by faith in His merits must be proclaimed to the professed people of God one more time before the message goes as the loud cry to the world... this is the time of the latter rain just as the message borne by the disciples at Pentecost was addressed to the professed people of God before it ever went to the Gentiles and that didn't happen until after the great persecution in A.D.34. Every informed Adventist understands that.

_ _ The loud cry to the Jewish church lasted from A.D.31 to A.D.34 beginning at Pentecost and ending with the stoning of Stephen. It is a well known fact that the Jews sealed their rejection of God's mercy in A.D.34as they turned upon the bearers of the message. Acts8:1.So it will be in these last days. The loud cry message of the righteousness of Christ by faith in His merits and submission to the voice of His word must first be proclaimed within the churches that profess to believe present truth and then that message will swell into the loud cry to the world... Again "Persecution will spread the light." D.A.354.


Persecution within Modern Israel will force the bearers of the message to leave the churches they love to go out to the world. Probation will then close on Modern Israel as it closed on Ancient Israel in A.D.34 if she rejects this last message of mercy and persecute those who would proclaim it in demonstration and power of the Holy Spirit.

_ _ Here is the evidence that the loud cry message must first be proclaimed within the professed church of Christ before it goes as the loud cry to the world. Reflecting on the message of Elders Jones and Waggoner, beginning in 1888, Mrs. White wrote:

_ _ "The time of test is just upon us, for the loud cry of the third angel has already begun in the revelation of the righteousness of Christ, the sin-pardoning Redeemer. This is the beginning of the light of the angel whose glory shall fill the whole earth." E.G. White, Bible Commentary, Vol.7, p. 984.

_ _ Therefore the loud cry message of the righteousness of Christ must first be sounded within the churches that profess to believe present truth before it swells as the loud cry to the world. This will be the last message of mercy to Modern Israel just as the message borne by Christ's disciples at Pentecost was addressed to the Jewish people only.

_ _This is also confirmed in the book Testimonies to Ministers, p. 92.

_ _ laval


Ron's response: I have already addressed the absurdity of the above scenario, especially in light of the fact that Laval claims to believe in Matthew 22:1-10 reapplied.



----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:37 PM

Subject: Fw: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


Lynn,



You are correct, the separation message is in Desire of Ages, p. 232. The only reason given for true Reformers separating from the church of their fathers is that the leaders would not tolerate light. Ellen White said that nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement that she said has removed God. What greater intolerance to light could be manifest? Laval admits that the new movement has done all that Ellen White said it would do. We were never to join any new movement. Yet, Laval instructs people that they can knowingly, wilfully, be joined to a new movement that is violating the Midnight Cry, which is UNPARDONABLE SIN, according to Ellen White in Word to the Little Flock, p. 14. So Laval is instructing God's people in a way that will cause them to commit unpardonable sin. That is about as serious as error can get. That is about as false as a minister of the Word could get.

"The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!


Yes Laval-- You and I discussed how much we love Desire of Ages, once!! It is my favorite book next to the bible. But even in it the separation message is there, loud and clear. Why are you not sharing it with others to save them too from the serious end in the apostate church???? Like Ron has pointed out Righteousness by Faith which you have done a great job in studying and sharing, is part of the Midnight Cry, that's what Mrs. White says and I understand why!-


Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:35 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

Then why didn't you tell Teresa that you deceiver!?

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Laval Picard

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:34 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: Letter written to Gary about Ron!!!

I have never doubted you existence, Lynn! I remember you! :)






Ron's response: So why didn't you inform Teresa that Lynn was a real person

And not someone I was making up? I think that answer to that question is obvious to some of us.

----- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:26 AM

Subject: Fw: [SDAIssues] Re: the loud cry is to go to the professed church first and then to the world

When any member of the SDA church violates that Midnight Cry light, KNOWINGLY, WILFULLY, Ellen White said that all who do so find it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the path to heaven. ...


... remaining in a new movement that is violating the Midnight Cry via ecumenical liaison with Babylon's Associations, Counsels, Councils, Girdings, and Confederacies.


... Isaiah 56:10-12 and Isaiah 9:16, ... leading them to certain destruction.

... This is so serious.


If this above isn't "adding color" so that "the bigger picture can be discussed"; then pray tell, what does add that proverbial color?

Erik,

Will you please add some "color" to Isaiah 9:16 and 56:12, as well as the Midnight Cry and EGWs first vision?

James


----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:29 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: The Seal Of The Living God

Gary,

If we go to the brighter light, the Bible, Matthew 22 says that Matthew 22:7, the EXACT SAME event at Ezekiel 9:6, begins BEFORE the final call to the world. Combine this with Ellen White's statement that Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled to the LETTER and LITERALLY.

If that is true, then it will have to be fulfilled to the letter of Matthew 22:7 as well and to the letter of Ezekiel 9:6, because they both are the same event. Any literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, to the LETTER, must "...BEGIN AT MY SANCTUARY," Ezekiel 9:6. The lesser light does not, and should not be interpreted to contradict the greater light. Ellen White said that too!

But SDA's are misinterpreting the lesser light and then making it contradict the greater light. Ellen White said: NO! NO!

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Gary

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:40 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: The Seal Of The Living God



Ron,



It is so clear that the Ezekiel 9 destruction STARTS at the House of God then moves to the world.... why cannot Teresa understand this?

What Church is the House of God today? Surely not the Babylonian Sunday keeping Churches!



Gary


From: Ron Beaulieu

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:27 AM

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: The Seal Of The Living God

Teresa,



There are two classes but the two classes are further distinguished as:


Fallen Babylon.

Fallen professing Jerusalem where the slaughter of Ezekiel 9 begins--THE HOUSE OF GOD.

The world that does not profess Christ (Which is actually a part of Babylon)


Ron



----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:15 PM

Subject: Ellen White's Example in the Alpha of Apostasy

Forum,

I have never made a general call to all members of the SDA church to come out. I believe my call applies to all who have learned that the leaders of the Omega of Apostasy new movement have moved the church into liaison with Babylon in violation to the Midnight Cry and the first and second angel's messages. I believe that some will not find that out until the final Loud Cry call to all fallen churches. I believe that members of the professing new movement SDA church are responsible for light when they learn of it and if they do not heed that light they become corporately responsible for disregarding it, and liaison to Babylon after knowing the Adventist message is unpardonable sin per Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.

When a church forms a new movement whose leaders have joined that church in liaison to Babylon's Associations, Councils, Counsels, Girdings and Confederacies, there are two options for those involved (members) who know about such apostasy:

Remain and be broken in pieces, Isaiah 8:9-13.

Come out of her my people. That is the call Ellen White made in the Alpha of Apostasy, to come out from Kellogg and his associates. But in the Omega, the apostasy involves the very leadership of the church who are the ring leaders. Thus, the call to "Come out of her my people," is to all who know of the apostasy or they are corporately responsible for the apostasy. This fact is well substantiated by the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. No one will disprove this principle.

Jeremiah 11:9-15 establishes this principle in ANY GENERATION of the church, with the emphasis on verse 15. Ellen White advocated this principle in the Alpha of Apostasy, to wit:

The fifty-eight chapter of Isaiah contains instruction for today. "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sin." God does not accept Dr. Kellogg as His laborer, unless he will now break with Satan. The work would not have been hindered as it has been for the past several years if Dr. Kellogg were a converted man. "Come," I call, "come ye out and be separate from him and his associates whom he has leavened." I am now giving the message God has given me, to give to all who claim to believe the truth: "Come out from among them, and be ye separate," else their sin in justifying wrongs and framing deceits will continue to be the ruin of souls. We can not afford to be on the wrong side. We can not afford to cover the truth with scientific problems. We urge that decided changes be made, and no more stumbling-blocks be placed before the feet of the people of God. Let every soul put on the gospel shoes. Let every soul pray and wok, placing their feet upon the foundation Christ laid in giving His life for the life of the world. {SpTB07 64.2}

"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them, Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.

There are some, even a trained minister on this forum, one Laval Picard, who is taking a cowardly reserve before evil associates, and telling God's people not to come out from among them and be separate. God have mercy on his soul. What would Ellen White say of the Omega, when she said to take the youth as far away from the church as possible in the Alpha of Apostasy?

Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:

"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.

"Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108.

Is Laval Picard following Ellen White's lead in the Alpha? The Omega is far worse in scope and seriousness. Ellen White said it would be. And Laval, while claiming to be in the Spirit of John the Baptist is not advising anything akin to what Ellen White advised in the less severe Alpha if Apostasy.

Laval is saying that only a few "chosen" ones will be separated to be prepared by God in the wilderness of solitude--away from the apostate movement. Is that what Ellen White said in the Alpha? Were all the youth she told Haskell to take as far as possible from contact with our churches, "chosen" as John the Baptist types? Is Lava's personal opinion theory in agreement with what Ellen White advised in the Alpha? Not in the least! So once again, Laval Picard countermands the teaching and example of Ellen White in the Alpha of Apostasy.

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Laval Picard

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 3:05 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] the call to "come out" not present truth




----- Original Message -----

From: Laval Picard

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 3:05 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] the call to "come out" not present truth



If all took the time to carefully read my post below, they would see that I took pain to show the difference between some of us being removed by God from the religious assemblies of men so as to be taught of Him in order to prepare us to give the last message of mercy to the church and to the world and the timing of the general call to "come out" of the churches. Those whom God removes from the religious assemblies of men do not support the leadership any more than Christ and His disciples supported the leadership of their day. There is a time to be removed from the influence of "priests and rulers" to be taught of God about nature and nature's God in order to be fitted to give the last message and a time to call people out of the churches. That time has not come yet because Revelation 18:1-5 will not be present truth until the sins of Babylon have reached unto heaven and that is the time when the law of God shall be made void in the land by the National Sunday Law.




laval





----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:15 PM

Subject: Ellen White's Example in the Alpha of Apostasy



Forum,


I have never made a general call to all members of the SDA church to come out. I believe my call applies to all who have learned that the leaders of the Omega of Apostasy new movement have moved the church into liaison with Babylon in violation to the Midnight Cry and the first and second angel's messages. I believe that some will not find that out until the final Loud Cry call to all fallen churches. I believe that members of the professing new movement SDA church are responsible for light when they learn of it and if they do not heed that light they become corporately responsible for disregarding it and liaison to Babylon after knowing the Adventist message is unpardonable sin per Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.


When a church forms a new movement whose leaders have joined that church in liaison to Babylon's Associations, Councils, Counsels, Girdings and Confederacies, there are two options for those involved (members) who know about such apostasy:

Remain and be broken in pieces, Isaiah 8:9-13.

Come out of her my people. That is the call Ellen White made in the Alpha of Apostasy, to come out from Kellogg and his associates. But in the Omega, the apostasy involves the very leadership of the church who are the ring leaders. Thus, the call to "Come out of her my people," is to all who know of the apostasy or they are corporately responsible for the apostasy. This fact is well substantiated by the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. No one will disprove this principle.



Jeremiah 11:9-15 establishes this principle in ANY GENERATION of the church, with the emphasis on verse 15. Ellen White advocated this principle in the Alpha of Apostasy, to wit:



The fifty-eight chapter of Isaiah contains instruction for today. "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sin." God does not accept Dr. Kellogg as His laborer, unless he will now break with Satan. The work would not have been hindered as it has been for the past several years if Dr. Kellogg were a converted man. "Come," I call, "come ye out and be separate from him and his associates whom he has leavened." I am now giving the message God has given me, to give to all who claim to believe the truth: "Come out from among them, and be ye separate," else their sin in justifying wrongs and framing deceits will continue to be the ruin of souls. We can not afford to be on the wrong side. We can not afford to cover the truth with scientific problems. We urge that decided changes be made, and no more stumbling-blocks be placed before the feet of the people of God. Let every soul put on the gospel shoes. Let every soul pray and wok, placing their feet upon the foundation Christ laid in giving His life for the life of the world. {SpTB07 64.2}



"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them, Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald, Vol. 4, p. 42.



There are some, even a trained minister on this forum, one Laval Picard, who is taking a cowardly reserve before evil associates, and telling God's people not to come out from among them and be separate. God have mercy on his soul. What would Ellen White say of the Omega, when she said to take the youth as far away from the church as possible in the Alpha of Apostasy?



Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:



"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.



"Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108.



Is Laval Picard following Ellen White's lead in the Alpha? The Omega is far worse in scope and seriousness. Ellen White said it would be. And Laval, while claiming to be in the Spirit of John the Baptist is not advising anything akin to what Ellen White advised in the less severe Alpha if Apostasy.



Laval is saying that only a few "chosen" ones will be separated to be prepared by God in the wilderness of solitude--away from the apostate movement. Is that what Ellen White said in the Alpha? Were all the youth she told Haskell to take as far as possible from contact with our churches, "chosen" as John the Baptist types? Is Lava's personal opinion theory in agreement with what Ellen White advised in the Alpha? Not in the least! So once again, Laval Picard countermands the teaching and example of Ellen White in the Alpha of Apostasy.



Ron



----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:25 PM

Subject: Re: Ellen White's Example in the Alpha of Apostasy



Forum,


I ask you in all sincerity and under the auspices of the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus: If a person hears the SDA message, is that person responsible for the truth he/she hears WHEN he/she hears and understands it? Why would that same principle not apply to an SDA who hears that the church has been linked in liaison to Babylon in violation of the Midnight Cry and the second angel's message? Why would those who heard and understood that message in 1844, and then, or later rejected it, be met with a shut door, and SDA's won't now?



Ron


"I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844. All who saw the light of the first and second angels' messages and rejected that light were left in darkness. And those who accepted it and received the Holy Spirit which attended the proclamation of the message from heaven, and who afterward renounced their faith and pronounced their experience a delusion, thereby rejected the Spirit of God, and it no longer pleaded with them." {1BIO 260.8}




----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:01 PM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] brainwashed?



Lynn,


Brainwashing and hypnosis no less! Teresa has the mistaken notion that one has to depart from the church to depart from the faith! She doesn't have a clue as to how many SDA leaders have departed from the faith without leaving the "church." Every aspect of the new movement is a departure from the faith to the point that Dr. George Knight said in the Adventist Review, that if the pioneers were here today, they would not join the SDA church! And then Laval says remain joined to a church that is violating the Midnight Cry, a violation that Ellen White defined as UNPARDONABLE SIN because she said it is then IMPOSSIBLE to bet back on the pathway to heaven again. Laval is brave! Laval is a false prophet.


Apostates Will Use Hypnotism



The time has come when even in the church and in our institutions, some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. But God will keep that which is committed to Him. Let us draw near to Him, that He may draw near to us. Let us bear a plain, clear testimony right to the point, that hypnotism is being used by those who have departed from the faith, and that we are not to link up with them. Through those who depart from the faith, the power of the enemy will be exercised to lead others astray.--Letter 237, 1904. {3SM 411.7}



Ron's Commentary: It is a fact that hundreds of SDA ministers have been sent to learn Eriksonian Neuro-Linguistic Programming which employs the hypnosis technique of hypnotizing without the victim knowing he/she is being hypnotized. One does not have to leave the church to depart from the faith. He merely has but to join an Omega of Apostasy New Movement formed “among” within the church, 1 Selected Messages, pp. 204-205.



----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:23 PM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] brainwashed?



Yes-- I think brainwashing would explain why they do not seem to see their danger in the church!! Certainly!!-- Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:36 PM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Fw: [SDAIssues] brainwashed?




----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:36 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] brainwashed?



Are professing SDA's brainwashed into remaining joined to a new movement they were never to join? Does the fact that Satan formed it "among," WITHIN the church, changing the church into a new movement, 1SM 204-5, make it sanctionable? In Jeremiah 11:9-15, when Israel formed a new movement--under the leadership of Eli at Shiloh, God said not to even pray for it and said that His beloved had nothing to do in such a new movement, verse 15?



Ron



----- Original Message -----

From: teresa_q

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:08 PM

Subject: [SDAIssues] brainwashed?


According to the Grolier's Encyclopedia: "Brainwashing is the process

of deliberately subjecting individuals to physical and psychological

hardship in order to alter their thoughts, attitudes, and actions."

Brainwashing involves imposing an intensive, forcible indoctrination,

aimed at replacing a person's basic convictions with a different set

of fixed beliefs against their will.


According to exit counselors (experts who help people trying to leave

cults), someone who has joined a cult will usually show at least some

of the following symptoms: a loss of free will; a loss of

spontaneity; the loss of his sense of humor; an inability to form

intimate relationships outside the cult; physical deterioration

and/or signs of abuse; psychological deteriorations, sometimes

including hallucinations; anxiety; paranoia; disorientation;

disassociation; a development of dependancy and a return to childlike

behavior. These are some of the standard effects seen in individuals

involved in destructive cults. Do not, however, expect a cult member

to show all those symptoms.


Brainwashed people lose their original personality. If someone

becomes sullen, withdrawn, irascible, be alarmed. He is in some sort

of danger, and possibly taking drugs. It's even possible that he has

joined a cult.


In their efforts to boost their membership, cults often employ

psychological coercion and/or manipulation to recruit and

indoctrinate members.


Cults are generally created and/or led by charismatic leaders. These

leaders almost always demand absolute fealty and loyalty. They

usually have set themselves up as leaders, building a following.


They follow him blindly. The leader is seldom accountable to anyone

for his behavior. Cults almost always teach the infallibility of the

leader of the cult. Cults practice a severe form of censorship.


Teresa